Comments on: Under The Bus http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:32:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Thanks for deleteing my comment « PsychoPhil http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-142 Thanks for deleteing my comment « PsychoPhil Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:30:59 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-142 [...] Cheese recently wrote an entry about the Baltimore bus beating incident. Berlow’s Freak Show comes along and takes a quote [...] [...] Cheese recently wrote an entry about the Baltimore bus beating incident. Berlow’s Freak Show comes along and takes a quote [...]

]]> By: Berlow’s Freak Show » Blog Archive » Maryland is the Richest State in America http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-139 Berlow’s Freak Show » Blog Archive » Maryland is the Richest State in America Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:57:07 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-139 [...] Standing Cheese writes: I am, for the first time, getting fed up enough to be serious about moving out of this godforsaken state. It’s a shame too, because Maryland is a beautiful state and conveniently located on the east coast, but enough is enough. I’m a hard working, tax paying, home owning, solvent white man raising two good children. More and more it appears Maryland doesn’t want my kind within its borders. [...] [...] Standing Cheese writes: I am, for the first time, getting fed up enough to be serious about moving out of this godforsaken state. It’s a shame too, because Maryland is a beautiful state and conveniently located on the east coast, but enough is enough. I’m a hard working, tax paying, home owning, solvent white man raising two good children. More and more it appears Maryland doesn’t want my kind within its borders. [...]

]]> By: psychophil http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-138 psychophil Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:17:40 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-138 Or you could hang out with Cham, sleep in your car and bang park rangers. Just like her. Or you could hang out with Cham, sleep in your car and bang park rangers. Just like her.

]]> By: Cham http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-136 Cham Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:01:46 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-136 You can move next door to Psychophil and bitch morning noon and night just like him. You can move next door to Psychophil and bitch morning noon and night just like him.

]]> By: eebmore http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-134 eebmore Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:54:22 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-134 whoops. I meant to put this comment on the newer post. whoops. I meant to put this comment on the newer post.

]]> By: eebmore http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-133 eebmore Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:51:54 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-133 And hence one of my many problems with hate crime charges. How do prosecutors and judges quantify how large a role race plays in an altercation like this? Is it necessary to prove that race is the primary motivator? Or if someone screams out “white bitch” or “nigger” while flailing on somebody is it automatically a hate crime as long as the participants are of different races? It’s all just so fucking arbitrary and I have absolutely no faith that such charges are being objectively applied. Not that I think it would be justice or remotely resembling justice if the investigators in this case automatically tagged this as a hate crime just to justify the arbitrary applications in reversed situations. Two scoops of bullshit don’t make ice cream. It’s all just a big whatever. Like any judge or prosecutor could convince an entire Baltimore city jury to convict these kids of a hate crime anyway. It would be a waste of time and money to even try to pursue a conviction if they throw “hate crime” into the mix, and would probably guarantee acquittals across the board if they did. If I was a prosecutor in this case, I would take hate crime off the table to improve my chances of getting convictions. And if I was a defense attorney in this case, there is no way I would take a plea if the defendants were facing hate crime charges. The smart move would be to move away from "hate crime" and just pursue the assault aspects of the case. But do they even use juries in juvenile cases? What the fuck do I know. And hence one of my many problems with hate crime charges. How do prosecutors and judges quantify how large a role race plays in an altercation like this? Is it necessary to prove that race is the primary motivator? Or if someone screams out “white bitch” or “nigger” while flailing on somebody is it automatically a hate crime as long as the participants are of different races? It’s all just so fucking arbitrary and I have absolutely no faith that such charges are being objectively applied. Not that I think it would be justice or remotely resembling justice if the investigators in this case automatically tagged this as a hate crime just to justify the arbitrary applications in reversed situations. Two scoops of bullshit don’t make ice cream.

It’s all just a big whatever. Like any judge or prosecutor could convince an entire Baltimore city jury to convict these kids of a hate crime anyway. It would be a waste of time and money to even try to pursue a conviction if they throw “hate crime” into the mix, and would probably guarantee acquittals across the board if they did. If I was a prosecutor in this case, I would take hate crime off the table to improve my chances of getting convictions. And if I was a defense attorney in this case, there is no way I would take a plea if the defendants were facing hate crime charges. The smart move would be to move away from “hate crime” and just pursue the assault aspects of the case.

But do they even use juries in juvenile cases? What the fuck do I know.

]]> By: psychophil http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-131 psychophil Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:14:15 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-131 Epiph: <i>Why am I in front of a class of 37? 41? Why don’t I have textbooks? Can you honestly say that it’s not a system failure for that to occur?</i> There is a system failer. The failure is massive corruption in the Baltimore City School system. The Baltimore school system (supposedly) spends more dollars per student then most (all?) the counties in the state. Where the hell is it going? We're talking 10's of millions of dollars that flat out cannot be accounted for. It's surely NOT making it to the teachers/students/facilities where it SHOULD be going. Epiph:

Why am I in front of a class of 37? 41? Why don’t I have textbooks? Can you honestly say that it’s not a system failure for that to occur?

There is a system failer. The failure is massive corruption in the Baltimore City School system. The Baltimore school system (supposedly) spends more dollars per student then most (all?) the counties in the state. Where the hell is it going? We’re talking 10’s of millions of dollars that flat out cannot be accounted for. It’s surely NOT making it to the teachers/students/facilities where it SHOULD be going.

]]> By: standingcheese http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-130 standingcheese Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:09:38 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-130 I'm not going to say racism doesn't exist and blacks never get the short end. But everything has gotten so much more ridiculous since the late 90s that I'm willing to bet a lot more gets brought to light now then it did then, even if it was fewer than 10 years ago. Maybe that's good, but what's bad is the double standard regarding racially motivated violence now that couldn't be more apparent. And to be honest, I can see people starting to cover for whites in light of stuff like this. It's getting to where you can't even say hi to a black person without being branded a racist. And god help you if you defend yourself against a black person. I’m not going to say racism doesn’t exist and blacks never get the short end. But everything has gotten so much more ridiculous since the late 90s that I’m willing to bet a lot more gets brought to light now then it did then, even if it was fewer than 10 years ago. Maybe that’s good, but what’s bad is the double standard regarding racially motivated violence now that couldn’t be more apparent.

And to be honest, I can see people starting to cover for whites in light of stuff like this. It’s getting to where you can’t even say hi to a black person without being branded a racist. And god help you if you defend yourself against a black person.

]]> By: Kira http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-129 Kira Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:27:56 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-129 One more thing...I will add that African Americans, a number of years ago moved into briefly only to get harrassed into leaving. Someone even had all their windows shot out in the 80s. One more thing…I will add that African Americans, a number of years ago moved into briefly only to get harrassed into leaving. Someone even had all their windows shot out in the 80s.

]]> By: Kira http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-128 Kira Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:24:33 +0000 http://www.standingcheese.com/2007/12/07/under-the-bus/#comment-128 I've been following this piece of news quite a bit because it took place in my neighborhood. There's been a lot of tension on and off between students coming from outside the neighborhood to attend the schools at the Robert Poole Building, and the neighborhood itself. There was an incident with ACCE students earlier this year (a charter in the same Robert Poole building as these kids who go to the Robert Poole Jr. High). The kids don't live in the neighborhood, I don't know what neighborhood they are from, and the residents don't like them either, justified or not. But this is how the city has decided to do things - bus kids all over the city to places where they don't reside. And, not a single ACCE student is from Hampden. Robert Poole Jr. High kids have been observed by some of my friends doing lots of nasty stuff in the neighborhood before, while waiting for the bus. There are also a number of white kids in the neighborhood that are equally as nasty (and frighteningly dangerous). Many are graduates of Robert Poole, or attend Robert Poole, if they made it that far. That school I think has produced some really unshining examples as students. I gotta think they are feeding them lead paint chips over at the Robert Poole building. Thankfully, this is the last year the Jr. High at Robert Poole will be open. I do hope they throw the book at those kids, really. However the fact is, that bussing African American kids into what was, until recently, an entirely an all white neighborhood with a history of KKK activism (they marched on the Ave. when I first moved to B-more) is a recipe for disaster. Coincidentally, 1 block from where the bus incident happened: in the late 1990s at the old Showalters Restaurant/bar (now Rocket to Venus), two black men went into the all-white bar to watch a Mike Tyson fight. The poor fools cheered for Tyson and a fight ensued, the glass was broken out of the front of the restaurant and the men were beaten to a pulp by an angry mob and taken away in ambulances. Tons of cops, not one black cop showed up. And all the neighbors came out into the street from 34th and Chestnut area using liberal use of the N word and saying they got what they deserved. I’ve been following this piece of news quite a bit because it took place in my neighborhood.
There’s been a lot of tension on and off between students coming from outside the neighborhood to attend the schools at the Robert Poole Building, and the neighborhood itself. There was an incident with ACCE students earlier this year (a charter in the same Robert Poole building as these kids who go to the Robert Poole Jr. High). The kids don’t live in the neighborhood, I don’t know what neighborhood they are from, and the residents don’t like them either, justified or not.
But this is how the city has decided to do things - bus kids all over the city to places where they don’t reside. And, not a single ACCE student is from Hampden.
Robert Poole Jr. High kids have been observed by some of my friends doing lots of nasty stuff in the neighborhood before, while waiting for the bus. There are also a number of white kids in the neighborhood that are equally as nasty (and frighteningly dangerous). Many are graduates of Robert Poole, or attend Robert Poole, if they made it that far.
That school I think has produced some really unshining examples as students. I gotta think they are feeding them lead paint chips over at the Robert Poole building. Thankfully, this is the last year the Jr. High at Robert Poole will be open.
I do hope they throw the book at those kids, really. However the fact is, that bussing African American kids into what was, until recently, an entirely an all white neighborhood with a history of KKK activism (they marched on the Ave. when I first moved to B-more) is a recipe for disaster.
Coincidentally, 1 block from where the bus incident happened: in the late 1990s at the old Showalters Restaurant/bar (now Rocket to Venus), two black men went into the all-white bar to watch a Mike Tyson fight. The poor fools cheered for Tyson and a fight ensued, the glass was broken out of the front of the restaurant and the men were beaten to a pulp by an angry mob and taken away in ambulances. Tons of cops, not one black cop showed up. And all the neighbors came out into the street from 34th and Chestnut area using liberal use of the N word and saying they got what they deserved.

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